Tim says fully loaded Fathom well below mid 30's

[onuiebvbevnulib]

Tim: Fully loaded Fathom well below mid 30's

Fully loaded seems to imply Extended Range Battery and AWD

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[ScooterAsheville]

I was just listening to the Green Cars podcast. I noticed Alan Clarke's comment that Ford believes with the UEV platform, BEV has now equaled or exceeded ICE in the "B" segment in cost equivalency. Which everyone was predicting for 2027 to 2028. So, right on schedule.

It's a huge BEV inflection point if true.

 

[Tdubz]

Previous speculation had the fully loaded price closer to $38k. In my opinion, “Well below mid 30’s” would be in the 32-33k range. I don’t see how that’s possible if you are including awd and extended battery. I’d guess awd will be 2-3k by itself and then the extended range will be somewhere in the 3-5k range. Maybe an extra 1k for upgraded wheels and another $500 for paint.

 

[ScooterAsheville]

The keyword there is "speculation". I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. I've done my full share of "speculation".

 

[Tdubz]

I mean everything is speculation at this point, even the fully loaded price coming in well below mid 30’s. With the base price being 30k, there’s no way you are getting awd and extended range battery for 3k more. Maybe one or the other, but not both. I won’t complain if it’s true , just doesn’t seem very realistic.

 

[commadorebob]

Now, to determine what a "fully loaded" Fathom doesn't have that is in more expensive models.

 

[onuiebvbevnulib]

The keyword there is "speculation". I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. I've done my full share of "speculation".

Not speculation but fact.

Tim is in the know as in he was told the actual numbers that Ford told the dealers at a dealer meeting where he and others got to see and get in the Fathom along with pricing.

He is not allowed to state those numbers by Ford so he hedges by saying statements like:

Tim: Fully loaded Fathom is well below mid 30's - a fact not speculation he knows the number

Will the ER battery be $10,000 like the F-150 Lightning?
Ford Answer: NO, It will be significantly less than that

Tim: (with a look) You will be surprised (in a good way) how cheap it will be for the ER battery - a fact he knows the number

Tim: You will be very impressed at the price level with what's included as standard equipment - again he knows what features are included standard

I strongly suggest to watch his informative videos:

https://www.youtube.com/@longmcarthurford/streams

Check the Live and Shorts streams.

 

[onuiebvbevnulib]

Now, to determine what a "fully loaded" Fathom doesn't have that is in more expensive models.

More expensive models: Please name those models

Also list your examples of what features the Fathom (fully loaded) you believe will be excluded.

It will be interesting to compare your list now to what gets announced at the reveal.

 

[Tdubz]

Not speculation but fact.

Tim is in the know as in he was told the actual numbers that Ford told the dealers at a dealer meeting where he and others got to see and get in the Fathom along with pricing.

He is not allowed to state those numbers by Ford so he hedges by saying statements like:

Tim: Fully loaded Fathom is well below mid 30's - a fact not speculation he knows the number

Will the ER battery be $10,000 like the F-150 Lightning?
Ford Answer: NO, It will be significantly less than that

Tim: (with a look) You will be surprised (in a good way) how cheap it will be for the ER battery - a fact he knows the number

Tim: You will be very impressed at the price level with what's included as standard equipment - again he knows what features are included standard

I strongly suggest to watch his informative videos:

https://www.youtube.com/@longmcarthurford/streams

Check the Live and Shorts streams.

I believe he was commenting on my post about the speculation that it would be around 38k fully loaded.

We already know that the fathom comes standard with rwd and a standard range battery for $29,945 and will be well equipped. On most EVs, the AWD option is around 3k and the extended range battery is between 3-10k. 10k is for large vehicles like the lightning. I don’t think anyone was expecting the fathom to have a battery the same size as the lightning. Mach E’s ER battery is $5250. I would expect the Fathom to have a smaller battery than the Mach E, so 3-4k for that is reasonable. Add in 2-3k for awd and you are looking at 5-7k over the base price. I hope he is right. 33k (my definition of “well below mid 30’s) for fully loaded would be awesome. I just don’t see how it can happen.

What I do find interesting is Tim’s comments about the range. He mentioned 200 miles for the standard range in the video. I know we have discussed it here and I’ve heard that number from some insiders for a while now, but I don’t think I’ve heard ford mention it at all.

Also, everything Tim has been mentioning lines up with what I’ve heard from the insiders. Here’s a few quotes they have said, so again take these with a grain of salt:

“The Fathom only has one trim level with a few option packages with a standard or extended range battery. The option packages are similar to Tesla really; sound system, seats, Blue Cruise, and wheel choices. So there won't be a huge price swing like a typical Ford, and the base spec won't be the penalty box like a typical Ford.”

“To add more details. Base gets you RWD and 200 Miles of range. Add $2K for AWD (like Tesla), and about $3-4K for extended range which is around 280-300 miles. So around $40K for loaded, I’d estimate.”

 

[onuiebvbevnulib]

What I do find interesting is Tim’s comments about the range. He mentioned 200 miles for the standard range in the video. I know we have discussed it here and I’ve heard that number from some insiders for a while now, but I don’t think I’ve heard ford mention it at all.

Can you post the video with Tim stating the 200 miles range for the standard battery because I don't remember him saying that.

From his Youtube video just right click on the video and select "Cut Video URL at current time" and paste the link as text. This site will then show the video queued to start with his discussion.

 

[Tdubz]

Can you post the video with Tim stating the 200 miles range for the standard battery because I don't remember him saying that.

From his Youtube video just right click on the video and select "Cut Video URL at current time" and paste the link as text. This site will then show the video queued to start with his discussion.

it’s at 31:43 in the first video you posted in this thread , just a few seconds after where you have it starting.

 

[onuiebvbevnulib]

it’s at 31:43 in the first video you posted in this thread , just a few seconds after where you have it starting.

Tim: I think it was published somewhere out there 200 I think was the goal.



First that is incorrect. What was published somewhere out there was the goal of 300 miles of range.

Second he did not acknowledge that 200 range number all he stated is that is his opinion the number will probably be leaked by some dealers then he could confirm or deny.

Also no way do I believe that the Fathom would have 5 miles less range than the non-aero boxy Slate.

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Alan Clark interview:

What sort of range?

Alan Clark: We been very focused in putting a 3 in front of it i.e. 300+ miles of range.

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He only stated that the base Fathom will have a smaller battery.

With Alan's information the ER battery will have 3 in front of it i.e. 300+ miles of range.

and with Tim's statement: You will be surprised how cheap it will be for the ER battery.

I can't see losing 100 miles of range going with the standard range battery vs the extended range battery for only a small amount more.

 

[commadorebob]

More expensive models: Please name those models

Also list your examples of what features the Fathom (fully loaded) you believe will be excluded.

It will be interesting to compare your list now to what gets announced at the reveal.

Well, at <$35K fully loaded, pretty much every Ford model is a more expensive model. So, what is not being included to hit that mark? Tri-zone climate? Ventilated seats? A plethora of USB-C charging ports? Rear heated seats? Zonal lighting? Heads-up display? Projector LED headlights? Perimeter lighting? Key-based profiles?

Basically, is the "fully loaded" Fathom the same as the base trim plus AWD and a bigger battery, or are there going to be trim differences that are similar to more expensive models? We don't know, and I'm not accusing Ford of anything. I am genuinely curious what Ford left off to hit that price point. I currently have a Maverick Lariat Lux; the only options I didn't pick were the sunroof and FX4, and there are still things that are simply not available on the top-trim Maverick that the wife has on her mid-trim Expedition.

 

[onuiebvbevnulib]

Well, at <$35K fully loaded, pretty much every Ford model is a more expensive model. So, what is not being included to hit that mark? Tri-zone climate? Ventilated seats? A plethora of USB-C charging ports? Rear heated seats? Zonal lighting? Heads-up display? Projector LED headlights? Perimeter lighting? Key-based profiles?

Basically, is the "fully loaded" Fathom the same as the base trim plus AWD and a bigger battery, or are there going to be trim differences that are similar to more expensive models? We don't know, and I'm not accusing Ford of anything. I am genuinely curious what Ford left off to hit that price point. I currently have a Maverick Lariat Lux; the only options I didn't pick were the sunroof and FX4, and there are still things that are simply not available on the top-trim Maverick that the wife has on her mid-trim Expedition.

Since the price difference between a $34,000 small EV truck and a mid-trim Expedition at $74,000 is around $40,000 those items are probably not included.

The mid-level Platinum trim for the Ford Expedition has a starting MSRP of approximately $73,950 to $74,430.

Current Expedition Trim Pricing Overview
Following Ford's lineup redesign, the simplified four-trim structure is priced as follows:

• Active (Base): Starts around $62,400
• Platinum (Mid-Trim): Starts around $73,950
• Tremor (Off-Road): Starts around $81,400
• King Ranch (Top-Tier): Starts around $84,060

What I do believe is that a Ford Fathom fully loaded including AWD and the Extended Range Battery to let's say at $34,000 will blow away what my current 2023 Ford Maverick XLT has as features.

 

[WXman]

This vehicle will hit $40k REAL fast. Just watch and see.

$28,350 base
$ 2,500 destination
$ 3,500 ER battery (very conservative guess)
$ 2,000 for AWD
$ 1,500 all additional options you may desire
$ 2,500 sales tax (using our 6% rate here in KY)
$ 750 dealer fees/doc fees (typical for dealers around here)

Now you're at $41k and if you find a dealer who will sell at a discount you might get out the door for $40k. AND, this is likely NOT even a fully loaded Fathom. This is just ER battery, AWD, and one options package (they always have several packages to choose from on their vehicles).