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Ok. So $39,100 OTD instead of $40,000. It's a moral victory, I suppose. :D

I believe in another thread the standard battery spec was already revealed at 57 kW. And yet a separate thread revealed the chemistry as LFP. So we already know that stuff. The guesses we're making about the cost of the ER upgrade, AWD, etc. all come from educated guesses based on pricing for...

I'm actually in the exact camp he describes. I tried a F-150 Lightning, but towing range was MISERABLE and it ruined our family camping trips. So after only 6 months I went back to a full size diesel truck. Now I want a smaller EV to use as a daily driver, while keeping the diesel for jobs...

My guess is there will not be a in-bed camper for Fathom. In-bed campers require significant payload, and special suspension designed to reduce sway since the camper moves the COG upward. Even some Super Duty trucks come with tags in the glovebox that say "do not install camper". In...

This vehicle will hit $40k REAL fast. Just watch and see. $28,350 base $ 2,500 destination $ 3,500 ER battery (very conservative guess) $ 2,000 for AWD $ 1,500 all additional options you may desire $ 2,500 sales tax (using our 6% rate here in KY) $ 750 dealer fees/doc fees (typical for...

Yeah that's an interesting topic. If we look at, say, a Lightning or Mach-E you'll note that they've already reduced the usable amount of the battery in the software. For example, my Lightning had a 135ish kWh pack, but the software limited it to 123 kWh usable. So, if I charged to 100% on...

300 miles of range if you pay thousands more than the base price. Cheaper battery type and same old 400v charge system, as we expected considering the price of this vehicle. Sounds like maybe we'll end up with 2,500 lbs. of towing to handle a lawn mower or jet skis. It's basically shaping up...

The original dealership who started this thread asked earlier if we could not discuss other dealerships and deals in this thread, which is understandable. So maybe we should start a separate thread for deals/financing in general if we're going to continue this topic.

Me too. One-pedal driving was the second-biggest gimmick behind Bluecruise. What's the point in trying to save a little more energy through more brake regeneration when you have to hold the throttle more of the time to coast down to red lights? Completely dumb. I tried it on the Lightning for a...

Typically even the least expensive P-metric rated tires have a combined load rating of 10,000 lbs. or more for a set of four. The Fathom will probably end up with a GVWR of around 6,000 lbs. So any tire you put on a Fathom will be overkill. It'll be fine.

HVAC controls should always be on physical buttons, and radio volume should always be on a rotary knob. Other than that I don't care what they put on the screen as long as it's not glitchy and it works. I already filed the form with LexisNexis to have them stop collecting my personal...

We know very little to nothing about the new software that'll power this new platform, other than Jim Farley constantly talking about Apple integration and Apple maps. That concerns me a bit. Apple objectively has the worst OS, and Apple Maps used to be so terrible that people demanded Google...

That's a good point. Everyone views it differently. To me, independence is ME being able to do it. A world where robots rule and human value is lost is terrifying. When I get to the point that I can't drive my truck where I want to go, then I don't need to go. Just keep nice flowers on my...

Yeah I think it's strategic in that it's financially driven. EREV tech and a Powerboost setup for HD trucks are both very expensive ideas to implement. What incentive does Ford have to spend that cash when they've already had the best selling trucks in America for 48 consecutive years? Ram is...

Is it a coincidence that Tesla leads all brands in vehicle fatalities? I saw a video a few years back of a Tesla that crashed, was on fire, and first responders couldn't get inside. Also, here's an article from less than a year ago...

I guess I'm still odd man out, because I don't see much difference between resting my hands in my lap and resting them on the steering wheel. Still have to keep your eyes on the road. Still have to maintain control. So what's the real benefit of BlueCruise? I'd rather them keep that off the...

I can't imagine that the CV axles, motor units, gauge thickness of materials, etc. etc. will be equivalent to what we saw on Mach-E or Lightning. All of these OE's literally watch pennies. They cost-cut here and there because when mass producing a vehicle it saves them tons of cash. Look at...

In that video posted above she makes an excellent point, that I've been saying for years. The reason Maverick sold so well is because of PRICE. It was a pickup truck that you could fully deck out for under $40k in a world of $60k to $110k trucks. THAT is what sold it. Nobody thought Maverick...

Jim Farley has talked about this. Since most of the cost is in the battery pack, using a smaller battery combined with a gas engine doesn't really increase the cost of the vehicle. However, he was a little adverse to the idea at first because of the build complexity to make ICE and EV work...

There are a few Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram dealerships doing this. One that comes to mind in particular is Gupton Motors just outside of Nashville. They hit up the forums heavily, and they will sell Jeeps at 5% below invoice no questions asked. You send them your order, pay a small deposit, when...