Tim: You will be surprised (in a good way) how cheap it will be for the ER battery

[onuiebvbevnulib]

I hope the "Extended Range" battery in the Fathom is LFP as well. LFP range is real range because you can use all of it as often as suits you.

And I would love it if it were at least 25KWH bigger.

I watched a few videos yesterday on the Fathom and in one of them it was absolutely stated that the initial battery both the standard and extended range will be LFP.

Alan: Battery Chemistry, LFP as our first one

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[Snakebitten]

That's great news.
LFP range translates to non-EV people better, because petro vehicles range IS based on the amount of gallons that fit in the tank.

One of the first "hard lessons" for the first EV'r is that you are taught that 300 mile range is really ~240, because of the "best practices" they are taught for charging.

Basically don't fill it up, and don't run it too low.

LFP? You just treat it like a gas tank. 300 miles range is real range.

 

[thum]

That's great news.
LFP range translates to non-EV people better, because petro vehicles range IS based on the amount of gallons that fit in the tank.

One of the first "hard lessons" for the first EV'r is that you are taught that 300 mile range is really ~240, because of the "best practices" they are taught for charging.

Basically don't fill it up, and don't run it too low.

LFP? You just treat it like a gas tank. 300 miles range is real range.

We need a highway range figure as well telling us what we get going a steady 75MPH.

 

[onuiebvbevnulib]

We need a highway range figure as well telling us what we get going a steady 75MPH.

You don't see only highway range numbers from EV's currently on the market so I don't see Ford stating those.

Electric cars on the market typically deliver real-world highway driving ranges between 250 and 410 miles on a full charge, which is generally 10% to 30% lower than their combined EPA sticker estimates.

EPA range numbers for electric vehicles (EVs) show how many miles a car can travel on a single full charge under standard tests.

How EPA Numbers Work

• Single Number: The EPA lists one main combined range number on the window sticker, unlike gas cars which get separate city and highway scores.
• City Weighting: The combined score blends city and high-speed tests, weighted 55% toward city driving and 45% toward highway driving.
• MPG-e: The EPA uses miles per gallon of gasoline-equivalent (MPG-e) to measure efficiency, comparing the energy in a gallon of gas to electricity.

Real-World Differences

• Shorter Ranges: Real-world tests show that EVs often fall short of their stated EPA range by about 12% on the highway, mostly because high speeds and cold weather drain batteries faster.
• Testing Choices: Automakers can pick between different EPA test methods (such as a 2-cycle test with a set formula or a stricter 5-cycle test), which can create large gaps in reported scores even when real-world range is similar.
• Best Use: Experts note that EPA numbers are best used to compare the efficiency of different models against each other rather than as a strict promise of exact road mileage

 

[metroshot]

That's great news.
LFP range translates to non-EV people better, because petro vehicles range IS based on the amount of gallons that fit in the tank.

One of the first "hard lessons" for the first EV'r is that you are taught that 300 mile range is really ~240, because of the "best practices" they are taught for charging.

Basically don't fill it up, and don't run it too low.

LFP? You just treat it like a gas tank. 300 miles range is real range.

Yes, 100% correct.

LFP is a much better choice for first time EV owners as well as those that practice charging to 100% even on NCM batteries.

SOC buffers will still prevent you from truly reaching 100% charge no matter LFP or NCM.

Even if the charge indicator shows 100% on the screen, it's really less than that and vice versa for discharge - never really reach 0% cell state.

Battery designers don't want to stress cells by going all the way down to 0 and up to 100.