Toyota Highlander EV 3 row SUV

[metroshot]

Impressive announcement that the 2027 Toyota Highlander is all EV - no more ICE or Hybrid engines.

 

[commadorebob]

Slightly smaller than an Expedition but likely to be priced the same. Given that we get over 500 miles a tank on our Expedition, 300 miles is a bit short.

In any case, not a direct competitor to the Fathom given the size and likely price difference.

 

[Flash]

My wife has a 2022 Explorer and I would like to replace it with Electric. This Highlander is a leading candidate. Pricing is unknown at this point. Estimates are approx. $55,000.

 

[metroshot]

My wife has a 2022 Explorer and I would like to replace it with Electric. This Highlander is a leading candidate. Pricing is unknown at this point. Estimates are approx. $55,000.

My wife is looking at this too!

She drives a PHEV but after I got my BEV, she now has overcome range anxiety!

 

[Flash]

My wife is looking at this too!

She drives a PHEV but after I got my BEV, she now has overcome range anxiety!

What PHEV does she have?

My wife isn't convinced by my Lighting, she wants to take the interim step of a PHEV SUV first. We have been casually looking at a Mazda CX-90 PHEV but not seriously.

 

[metroshot]

What PHEV does she have?

My wife isn't convinced by my Lighting, she wants to take the interim step of a PHEV SUV first. We have been casually looking at a Mazda CX-90 PHEV but not seriously.

She drives the Honda Clarity PHEV sedan.

There are other PHEV: Toyota Prius & RAV4, Chrysler Pacifica, BMW X5, and Mazdas.

She was thinking of the RAV 4, but when I told her that the Fathom is the same interior size but with a bed, she said a 3 row SUV.

She is also going to wait for the new Tesla Model Y L which has 3 rows and longer.

 

[ScooterAsheville]

I asked AI what electric three row SUVs are sold in the USA. I was surprised the list was this big. I was wondering if the VW ID Buzz comes in three rows?

 

[Basenji703]

What PHEV does she have?

My wife isn't convinced by my Lighting, she wants to take the interim step of a PHEV SUV first. We have been casually looking at a Mazda CX-90 PHEV but not seriously.

My son and daughter in law have a KIA Sorento PHEV and they love it. They were all EV when living in Boston. Now that they moved they kept the Bolt and sold the VW. They love the Sorento and the highest trim level is really nice.

 

[gzebrick]

If one could wait, the Hyundai Santa-Fe is going to come out with a 100+/600 mile eREV. The next -gen Santa-Fe. I am a big fan of E_REVs, but PHEVs are all we have in the US right now.

If you can't wait, maybe get a used 3-row PHEV with warranty left on it, and in 2 years, trade it for the e-REV.

https://www.theautopian.com/hyundai-is-about-to-sell-the-one-electric-car-thats-perfect-for-america/

I see a used CX90 can be had pretty cheap too...

https://www.theautopian.com/the-maz...ct-family-suv-but-the-used-deals-look-insane/

 

[Snakebitten]

I'm looking forward to EREV tech to get here to our shores too.
But I want it for the problem it solves that currently has no EV solution. Long Range towing.
Both the Lightning and the Sierra EV are awesome RV boondocking tow vehicles. But you can't stuff enough battery in them to overcome the public charging glutony you are saddled with for interstate travel. The onboard charging will flip that table!

 

[metroshot]

My EREV Scout reservation is still not in production....

 

[atomguy245]

My EREV Scout reservation is still not in production....

So far Scout is the only one doing EREV right with the range extender underneath the bed. Ram is just using their 3.6 v6 under the hood, and Ford will probably do the same

 

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

I honestly wouldn’t dare pay for a 500mi battery. I need to pay my bills and eat…

 

[gzebrick]

I honestly wouldn’t dare pay for a 500mi battery. I need to pay my bills and eat…

The idea of an E-REV is that the on-board battery is much smaller than a full-on EV. Probably good for 80-100 miles so covers 95% of most daily driving needs (with a little room to spare) PLUS you've got a small ICE / generator combo to provide the electrons to run the EV when the battery gets depleted for those (presumably) rare longer drives.

Battery cost much less, probably more than enough to cover the added costs of the ICE/gen. There's no range / recharge anxiety, and one could probably make do with just level-1 overnight recharging in most cases. EREVs have a simpler drivetrain than a hybrid or PHEV as the ICE/generator can be tweaked for single speed / most efficient operation. No transmission needed as it's just electric motors going to the wheel. The charging can be simple too with just level-1/2 support needed. No reason to add expensive level-3 charging since if you're on the road you can just tank up and skip all those slow/expensive highway recharges. Add a decent gas tank and you're good for maybe 500 miles between fillups when going long distance. At home and around town you just plug it in at night and you're good to go every day without ever needing any gas.

PHEVs don't seem to offer the longer EV range, and only produce full power when both the electric and ICE motors are combined and running together with what seems like only 1/2 power when in electric-only mode.

E-REVs give 100% of the power/torque even when just running off the battery.

If I could only have ONE vehicle, I'd be happy with a true E-REV

 

[Basenji703]

I understand the concept of E-REV. It sounds pretty reasonable, but gas goes "bad" after a period of time. The additives that one can use to extend the life of the gas don't last forever. Is there a long term solution for the storage of the gas that powers the generator for a person who plugs in the vast majority of the time and doesn't use the generator often?